Slowly going crazy over Loyalty Programs

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Tourist
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I have had a terrible time implementing and sticking with a Loyalty Program app that works well. All the major players look great on paper, but the devil is in the details and it's not always easy to become fully aware of the gotchas, no matter the testing one does.

Because there is obviously a clear customer impact, implementing a loyalty app is a ton of work and a lot of customer messaging. And here I am, back where I started looking for another loyalty program.

Rather than whine about the apps I have tried and launched (2), only to discover major gaps, let me state my requirements in terms of my what I have learned since starting off down this path. I am a small store (for now!) so don't have huge volume. My needs are as follows:

. Easy to fully integrate into my theme (Turbo). I am comfortable editing liquid but would prefer not to do so if it can be avoided.

. Intuitive, simple experience for visitors. They sign up, they get points (or, prefererably, simple dollars savings - would MUCH prefer to avoid coupons they need to obtain) and then save money.

. They can pay for shipping, where it's charged, completely separately when they redeem points. My current app requires that either I offer free shipping on pount redemption orders or the customer has to have enough points to pay for the shipping. The latter is REALLY frustrating to customers who have enough points to buy a product, but not enough for shipping and they have to buy more stuff to get those extra points.

. Provides me with full access to details about my customers. I have been very surprised at the loyalty apps that require me to send a request to support to get a list of my own customers, rather than just have an export feature. I "crunch" and automate this data in various ways, often for targeting purposes. Having to ask support for this is daft! Just give me a CSV.

. Is reasonably priced. At my levels that probably means $50 or less per month. What I find infuriating is that many apps have a huge jump from one price point to another. Swell, for example, goes from $29 for Bronze to $249 to Silver. That's not going to happen.

. All the usual and obvious rewards - purchase, social share, etc

. Tiers. I want to be able to automatically and manually place folks in a tier, which defines their earning rates. I actually think of this more as "rules" than tiers, in terms of how it might be implemented (by the way, that prompted me to look at Milestones but it seemed half-baked and I didn't like it much, even though the concept was interesting).

. Plenty of flexibility around how and where folks can earn points or discounts - across the store, by product, by collection, by date ("2x the points over Thanksgiving"), etc. This is kind of a generalization of the previous bullet, I guess, with the rules thing.

. Does not require me to replace my checkout page. This is essential. If I want to work around the aforementioned shipping costs issue, the app I am using right now requires me to replace the Shopify checkout page AND switch to a different payment gateway. My per order costs go up from 2.9% to 4.9%. Nope - not even close!

I am sure I can come up with some more but the list above touches on some of the pain points I have discovered. I want my next choice of loyalty app to be my last one :)

Would appreciate any pointers.

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Shopify Expert
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You can try our new concept of cashback program.

https://apps.shopify.com/cashback-sale-booster

There are many more features and way to increase the store sales. You can create cashback by whole collection as well as for individual product. Each customer will have own wallet with earned cashback balance. As a store owner you can set product label as per your cashback campaign.

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Tourist
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Thank you, Satish. I am looking for something of a "full feature" loyalty program, including referrals, share bonuses, etc as mentioned in my post. As far as I can see, your product doesn't offer that, correct?

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Shopify Partner
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Hi Mark,

We do have the product which you are looking for. We provide a fully featured referral and loyalty tool which can be integrated into your Shopify store in less than 30 minutes. You can view the full details here. We would love you show you the demo of the product. Also, we can negotiate the pricing the provide the best package for your needs. Looking forward to having you onboard soon. Please visit us here for full details.

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Hi Mark,

I'm not as far along as you and am currently vetting some apps, specifically Loyalty Lion and Smile.io. I'm assuming you've come across them and would love to hear more details if you're willing to share, as I'm sure it will be very helpful to myself and others.

 

Intuitive, simple experience for visitors. They sign up, they get points (or, prefererably, simple dollars savings - would MUCH prefer to avoid coupons they need to obtain) and then save money.

Both Loyalty Lion and Smile.io seem to do this, no?

. Provides me with full access to details about my customers. I have been very surprised at the loyalty apps that require me to send a request to support to get a list of my own customers, rather than just have an export feature. I "crunch" and automate this data in various ways, often for targeting purposes. Having to ask support for this is daft! Just give me a CSV.

Are you talking about Smile.io here? I assume you are as I'm looking at trying them out and they mentioned that I'd have to email their support for detailed reports. Seems archaic to me.

Is reasonably priced. At my levels that probably means $50 or less per month. What I find infuriating is that many apps have a huge jump from one price point to another. Swell, for example, goes from $29 for Bronze to $249 to Silver. That's not going to happen.

If my orders grow, I don't mind paying more, but some of these their basic offerings are pretty frugal on features for the <$50 packages. One of the sales reps pretty much is NOT recommending their basic package — don't know if that's just a hard upsell, but why wouldn't you want me to use your basic package and then upgrade as my business scales?

Tiers. I want to be able to automatically and manually place folks in a tier, which defines their earning rates. I actually think of this more as "rules" than tiers, in terms of how it might be implemented (by the way, that prompted me to look at Milestones but it seemed half-baked and I didn't like it much, even though the concept was interesting).

Both Loyalty Lion and Smile.io seem to do this, no?

Plenty of flexibility around how and where folks can earn points or discounts - across the store, by product, by collection, by date ("2x the points over Thanksgiving"), etc. This is kind of a generalization of the previous bullet, I guess, with the rules thing.

I would assume out of the box most apps have basic rules, triggers, etc. but that you'd need to access their API to really custom the level you're looking for.

Does not require me to replace my checkout page. This is essential. If I want to work around the aforementioned shipping costs issue, the app I am using right now requires me to replace the Shopify checkout page AND switch to a different payment gateway. My per order costs go up from 2.9% to 4.9%. Nope - not even close!

Mind sharing which app you're using now?

 

Thanks,

Dat

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Excursionist
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Hi Mark

Are you still looking at this or did you find something suitable.

Thanks

Lawrie

messageandchat101@gmail.com

 

 

 

lawriesheridan101@gmail.com
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New Member
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Hi there. Did you end up choosing a loyalty program? I, too, am trying to decide between the same two apps.

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Hi Mark. Did you ever decide on an app? I'd love to hear what you chose.

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