Customers charged double shipping

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I have 2 shipping rates, one of which is for larger items and the other is for everything else. The larger rate is £4.50 and the regular sized item rate is £3.00.

 

When a customer adds a larger item and a regular sized item to the cart they are charged both shipping rates,  so £7.50. This is putting customers off and they are not completing their purchases; I've lost money on this. Why charge people 2 rates for one purchase? 

 

In these circumstances, I want them to just be charged the higher rate, not both rates together. There doesn't seem to be a way of setting this up, even though I've tried. I feel like this is a serious flaw in Shopify's system and as I said, I've lost sales because of it.

 

Does anyone know how to fix this? 

 

Many thanks,

Laura

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Hi @Floranoctemshop,

 

Thank you for reaching out and for providing details of your issue.

 

By default, only one shipping rate should be chosen by the customer, and they should not stack based on the number of items they have in their cart. However, this can occur if the customer orders two items from different locations or shipping profiles, meaning each item is being shipped separately from each location and as such, two shipping charges would stack and be charged to the customer. Are you selling from multiple locations and if so, did the customer in the order you are referencing order products from different locations? Do you still have these rates set on your store?

 

Kind regards,

 

Victor | Shopify Social Care

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I see you are doing flat rate shipping. We used to do that but instead just went to where the weight and the postage options are calculated at checkout. We ship all around the world and the shipping rates change depending on where you live. If you did this you would only be charging them what it actually costs to ship. Now you maybe subsidizing shipping which is a different ball game but we have most people order 2-3 items but do have some get 8-9 and the rates do change based on the weight.

 

You can also add in a fixed adder per order if you like  for example a dollar if you want that for the packaging material you use.

 

May not be how you want to do it but would certainly deal differently with what you are currently experiencing. Also handles situations where someone orders 5 of your large packages.  You do need to have the size and the weights figured out which depending on what your product is may make this not easy to do.

 

We have not had a lot of complaints about shipping cost more about how long it takes to get stuff there. Amazon does make it difficult for smaller companies.

 

Regards

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Thank you for your responses.

 

I do have two shipping profiles set up, because that's the only way I can see to ensure my larger items are costing the higher shipping rate. There isn't an option to choose specific products in the general shipping category; only item values and weights. I only ship from one location and the address matches in both shipping profiles.

 

Ideally, I want to charge £3.00 for "regular sized" items, £4.50 for the larger ones, but I also want free UK shipping on orders over £50 (regardless of size.) I don't want the shipping rates to stack if someone buys both a regular and a large item. Using the option for weight doesn't work correctly as it doesn't pick up the orders over £50. Also, I've put my weights in grams on the product pages, but the weights have to be in lb on the shipping page. I don't really want to go through all my products and convert the weights. The shipping page doesn't allow you to choose between Metric and Imperial. Annoying.

 

This is so frustrating, because everything else on Shopify seems to work fine. The shipping set up is the only real problem I've encountered.

 

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Hi @Floranoctemshop,

 

Okay, thank you for detailing all of that. The only times that shipping charges will stack is when an order contains either products from either two or more shipping locations, or two or more shipping profiles—it sounds like from what you are describing, the fact you have products spread across two shipping profiles would be the cause of the stacked shipping rates. This is expected behaviour with Shopify's shipping system.

 

With regards to your set up, what would you want the shipping charges to be if a customer ordered two "regular sized" items? Is there a limit on the number of items they'd order to be only be charged £3 for shipping? Likewise, if they ordered a "regular' and "large" item, would you just want the charge to be £4.50?

 

If you can explain a little more what rates you'd want to charge in specific scenarios, we may be able to assist with getting this set up.

 

Kind regards,

 

Victor | Shopify Social Care

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Hi @Victor 

 

I'd still want to charge £3 if they bought any number of regular sized items, because they would all be packaged together. And if they bought a regular and a large item I'd like them to be charged £4.50. If they bought several large items, the charge would still need to be £4.50. I'd still like free shipping when they spend over £50, regardless of what size items they buy.

 

At this moment in time, I'm only using the £3 and free shipping rates. I've had to amend some item prices to balance it out.

 

 

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Tourist
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Victor, I am not an expert on this but you can tell it to use 0 as the
shipping rate once you reach the 50 pounds. This might clear up some of
your issues. Since it looks like 4.50 is the fee for most things other than
all small packages which is 3.00. I can't see how you can do all of that. I
looked through the automatic discount code to see if there was any way I
could see in there to handle your all small packages and could not see
that, can get close. If you were willing to have 3 dollars for small, and
small and large and 4.50 for the rest up to 50 I can see how you could do
automatically I think but the discounts won't allow a negative discount (I
tried) which would allow you do all of what you wanted.

If you can live with (3 for small) and (3 for small with large) and 4.50
for large of any number and at 50 pounds free shipping for all you could do
the following. Under rates set it at 50 purchase the rate is 0 below that
is 4.50. Set up an automatic discount of 1.50 for the order if they buy one
of the small packages.

Don't know if that would help. You would have to see how many order small
and large together and they would only be paying 3.00 but at least it would
be all automatic.

Interesting problem.

Regards




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Hi @Floranoctemshop,

 

Okay, thank you for clarifying more information about what you're looking for here. I don't believe there is a perfect solution for you here but I'll outline the options I believe you have given the context you've provided thus far.

 

  • As mentioned, shipping rates will always stack together if the customers orders 2+ products from multiple shipping locations and/ or profiles. You mentioned that you had two different profiles set up to ensure that the smaller items always cost £3 and the larger items £4.50, and I understand why you have done this, but it does mean that when a customer orders an item or more from each profile these prices will add together. To account for this, you could consider adding all products to the same shipping profile and tweaking your flat rates so that the weight of smaller items, even if multiple ones are ordered, always qualify for the £3 rate, whereas the weight of the larger items is such that as soon as the customers adds one of them, the weight value for this product immediately moves the customer's cart into the range that qualifies for the £4.50 rate.
  • @TheCraw has made a couple of great potential suggestions here, including adding live rates at checkout meaning that customers are more likely to pay a rate closer to what it costs you to ship rather than the flat rates you set. This allows more accuracy, if this is what you are looking for, but less control on exactly what the customer pays. If you wanted to explore this route, apps like the Royal Mail Shipping Extension would be worth considering.
  • The potential automatic discount set up @TheCraw mentioned could potentially work—I can't think off of the top of my head a clear reason why it wouldn't—but it's worth bearing in mind that if you have an automatic discount running for this sort of thing, any other discounts and offers you have on the store will not be able to be added at checkout alongside this (only one discount can be added to a cart at a time, and they do not stack).

Please also bear in mind that if you set a price-based rate for free shipping on all orders over £50, this will apply to all customers who meet this spending threshold and will always display at checkout alongside other rates you may have set up.

 

Kind regards,

 

Victor | Shopify Social Care

 

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Victor tweaking the rates for small and large may not work, ie the suggestion of setting a threshold. If we were provided the weights of the small versus the big we could calculate if it can be done but without that info we can't say for sure.  Depending on the actual weights it might end up being an optimum solutions and than kick in the free at 50 Dollars and it might do everything.

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Hi @TheCraw,

 

You're correct, yes—setting the weight-based rates in such a manner so all "regular" items are charged one rate and all "large" items are charged another, irrespective of how many are ordered, depends on the weights used for the products in question. However, as the weights inputted into Shopify for products are primarily there for shipping calculations, you can alter them to be inaccurate to the products' actual weights, but this can allow you more flexibility when it comes to customers choosing the rates you want them to.

 

For example, you could set up two shipping rates based on weight—one would be 0-49.9lbs with a £3 cost, and another 50lbs+ which would cost £4.50. If you then set all regular sized products to 1lb, this would mean you could order tens of these products and still qualify for the £3 rate. If one large product was added, and its weight was set to 50lbs, then the £4.50 rate would the one shown at checkout.

 

Obviously, when it comes to actually shipping the items, you'd enter in the actual weights of the products and package when buying a label. The £50+ free shipping rate could also run alongside it and would automatically appear alongside the weight-based rates at checkout when the customer has ordered enough to qualify.

 

Kind regards,

 

Victor | Shopify Social Care

 

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