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With "read_orders" scope, I can get orders via "rest api". It has "customers" field in it. Customer id and etc. in there.
This is the rest api url -> /admin/api/2021-10/orders.json
With "read_orders" scope, I can get orders via "graphql api". In order to get the customer field, I describe "customer" node in graphql request. But in the response I get something like this,