Need shopify support to contact me regarding chargeback incorrectly granted to customer

Sunburst
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I need someone from shopify support to contact me regarding a chargeback that was decided in the customer's favor incorrectly causing a double refund.  There is no option to appeal the decision that I was given which is my right to do so I need to have this done.  We provided ample evidence of the refund being provided as well as illustrating that the customer was given the entire refund they were eligible for.  It is somewhat disappointing that there is no readily accessible email for these kinds of support issues which do not need to be in the public eye....  I have searched multiple times and could find no direct support email or phone number.  It always took me back to the forums or FAQ section.

 

Thank you,

Jason Johnson

Sunburst Fitness Supply

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Hyde
Shopify Staff
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Hi @Sunburst,

Hyde here from Shopify.

I completely empathize with your frustration at losing out a chargeback despite providing ample evidence that it was an unfounded claim from the customer. It is always disappointing to be the victim of such a fraudulent claim.

Shopify is not involved in the decision making of chargeback outcomes. That power rests entirely with the customer's bank, and Shopify's role is as a mere transactional third-party. As a consequence, we cannot provide you with a means of appealing the decision and it is considered final by the bank unless you can somehow come to an alternative agreement with the customer directly.

I appreciate this is not what you want to hear, and of course, I'd love to be able to do more for you if I could, but it is out of my (and Shopify's) hands. What I can do is provide you with more information on chargebacks for you to go over, and outline how best to prevent them from happening again in the future.

No one single option is a catch-all solution, so the best fraud prevention is a combination of:

1. Shopify's own fraud analysis algorithm, which cross-references billing and shipping addresses with card details and names to try to ascertain the credibility of the buyer (more information here).

2. Your own investigative efforts by using our Fraud Prevention Tips.

3. Using the Fraud Filter app.

Another thing you could try doing is ensuring you are manually authorizing your orders, instead of doing it automatically. This will give you the opportunity to have a look at the order to see if anything seems off to you. You could cross-reference with the fraud prevention tips I listed above. You'd change this setting by going to Settings > Payments:

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You could then once again place details from the suspicious orders into your Fraud Filter app. 

I hope this all helps and once again I completely empathize with your situation.

All the best, Hyde.

Hyde | Social Care @ Shopify 
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Sunburst
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Hi @Hyde,

This is not entirely true. As the payment processor, Shopify deals with a
bank on the merchant side of the chargeback. As such, a resolved
chargeback can be appealed in cases, such as this, where the resolution was
wrong. It is part of the process and one which Shopify does not provide to
merchants.

This was not a case of plain fraud. We already have fraud prevention in
place and this is not a scenario they cover.

This was a case of the customer filing a chargeback after already being
refunded. We provided evidence of the refund. The bank decided against
us still. There is a means to appeal this decision as it should be but
Shopify does not provide it. As a matter of fact, we aren’t even provided
the chargeback claim ID.

I have already read all the information you linked as well as a whole lot
more across the internet. The chargeback resolution process is incomplete
on Shopify and does not give merchants the appeal option they are entitled
to in cases of wrong decisions. Based on this response, I am sure this
case will not be fixed but Shopify really needs to get something in place
to better protect their merchants from these scenarios. Our case is one
that normally can (and should) be appealed but you do not provide the means
to do so. It blatantly gave a customer back more money than they paid us
originally with the extra full refund given on top of the partial refund
they already received.

Thank you,
Jason Johnson
Sunburst Fitness Supply
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Youngforever
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Hi Jason,

Have you gotten any further answers regarding the wrongfully awarded chargeback?  I just had the same situation.  A customer bought a product for $569.00, never returned it, I proved it and they sided with the customer.  Now I want to appeal it but I have no idea how.      

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Sunburst
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No, I never received any useful answer on this. Just the response above
saying they can’t do anything about it basically.
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Pripri
Tourist
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We had the same problem and the fraud app has nothing to do with this. For someone who has its own platform built , they will be able to discuss with the credit card company. In this case, it is shopify and they will not get involved. We had a ridiculous chargeback that should not have happened and it is scary to read that no-one can get involved to help with the credit card company. Always liked Shopify but recently, it is lacking customer service. Wonder if they were sold to a company or grown too much. But I contacted for help and they were sorry for me but got no help or even tried t help and it was case closed. Personally,I was in a situation where I returned something defective to a company owning their own website and trust me, there were a lot of back and forth between Visa, them and I before they accepted to refund me. Now, people simply ask chargeback and they will get it even IF you are in your rights.

Pretty scary

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Sunburst
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Correct. We have fraud services as well through clear sale. That only
covers chargeback cases directly related to fraudulent transactions.

Regardless, I am not sure if Shopify sends the correct information when
responding or performs the correct actions. I did talk to someone at the
customers bank after months of waiting and they agreed that the customer
should not have won this one of the proof I listed was actually submitted.

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