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I contacted afterpay to see if they can help reduce fees, the 6% they charge plus the recent addition of 2% shopify adds on top made me have to remove it as payment method see below:
My email: (edited to remove any personal or Shopify account details)
hope this email finds you well. I am reaching out regarding the reintegration of Afterpay to my Shopify store
Previously, I had to remove Afterpay from my store due to Shopify implementing an additional 2% fee to
use your service, which brought the total fee per transaction to 8% (6% to Afterpay + 2% to Shopify).
As a small business owner, maintaining profitability is crucial. With an average profit margin of 10-15%
per sale, the current payment fees significantly impact my ability to sustain operations.
After deducting 8% in payment fees, there is minimal profit left to reinvest in the business.
I understand that larger corporations like Ali** enjoy lower transaction fees, approximately 3%.
In order to continue utilizing Afterpay on my Shopify store and remain profitable, I kindly request a
reduction in fees to a level similar to what Ali*** and other major corporations pay. Reducing thee Fees to 3% would make it feasible for me to continue offering Afterpay as a payment option to my
customers while ensuring the sustainability of my business.
I appreciate your attention to this matter and look forward to your response.
Their reply:
Hi
Just following up on the fee reduction query as well.
Unfortunately at this stage we can’t negotiate your merchant fees.
We understand this probably isn’t the news you were hoping for. However, while we can’t
(renegotiate/refund) your fees, we’re doing everything we can to provide you with the support we know
you need, including continuing to market and connect your business with our loyal customer base, and
importantly, continuing to partner with you to offer customers a responsible way to spend.
It’s important to remember that Afterpay is not a bank or a traditional credit product – we are the
opposite.
We only charge you when a sale is successfully processed – we don’t charge any standing per
terminal, store, or month fees.
We guarantee your payment while assuming all customer risk for you (customer fraud or
chargebacks).
We pay your business upfront – well before the end of the customer repayment cycle – and in
doing so help improve your cash flow.
We use this scale and reach to deliver on our main priorities – providing value to you, our retail partners,
and linking your businesses with customers across the globe.
We’re confident that our business model will hold us and our partners in good stead now and into the
future.
My reply:
Yes I used afterpay for my business before and I am already set up with integration but I had to remove
it as a payment method because Shopify started adding 2% extra to fee bringing it to 8% in total. As a
business trying to compete with amazon where Chinese FBA sellers are bypassing tax obligations to
compete with local businesses we need to keep margins low to be competitive and pay tax as well as
import fees etc, this leaves almost nothing left and add to this afterpay that NOW even Ali****
offers, it's not possible. I can't understand how this is even fair to my business trying to do everything
right and I can't even offer afterpay to my customers anymore if I want to make a profit....
hopefully if enough people complain
either Shopify or your team will do something to bring fees to a amount more manageable 8% is not fair and reasonable at all!
Hi @aaron111111 !
Upon checking, Afterpay is part of the Third-party providers and Shopify does have 2% third party transaction fees as this are an external payment processor. If Afterpay have additional 6% transaction fees on their end, I now it is not ideal though, it would be best to keep an open communication with them regarding this and workarounds. They can also further explain regarding these fees.
As a workaround, I suggest that you explore other third-party payment providers that Shopify supported in your location to see what works or the best fit to your current business.
their fees are insane. You also have to remember the 8% also includes any shipping which may be based off a real time calculator. So the 8% is even more for some products if basing it off the product margin. It's actually criminal for small businesses. Then they allow massive corporations to have very low Afterpay fees.
Also, they lie when they say the risk is all theirs. They always keep 30% of the order amount for 3 months on new businesses. They most definitely invest this combined rolling reserve and make astronomical amounts of money off it. If you receive even a single chargeback they will go back to holding 30% of your money and THEY WILL use that money if chargebacks occur. that's 30% of money that IS NOT THEIRS. It is like if you went to a restaraunt and paid them with visa and someone from VISA took 30% of that restaraunts transaction and just invested it for 3 months...
But you know shopify don't care. They hate small businesses. They could so easily add a fee surcharge option where we could charge customers the full 6% to use Afterpay but they never will. Check out threads on this. Shopify never respond or they say they are passing it onto the "improvements team". They side with Afterpay. they know Afterpay would hit back so hard if shopify dared to allow us to pass on Afterpay's criminal surchage to customers.
This isn't just Afterpay. It is all BNPL. also it isnt 8%, it's 8% + the fixed fee per transaction.
All BNPL is criminal and shopify not providing an easy solution for small business to pass on that fee and deter customers from using the criminal BNPL services shows all you need to know about what shopify thinks of small businesses.
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